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  • Announcing that a new DS Wiki has been created at Gamepedia!

    This was done to help reduce the impact of advertisements on user experience. Of course, there will be a lot of questions popping up around the move, so I'm here to answer them and help out if anyone needs anything! Feel free to reply here, message me on the Klei Forums or on either wiki - I check them all!

    Possible F.A.Q.

    What will happen to this wiki?

    • This wiki will remain active and running and can still be used as normal. You are free to decide to view or edit either or both of them. I am personally able to work at both.

    What's the difference between the Wikia wiki and the Gamepedia wiki?

    • Wikia has ads with much higher impact. I'm sure a lot of you saw them. Gamepedia has ads restricted to the right side and they will never take up space related to articles. However, Gamepedia is not a straight upgrade. Wikia had some features that Gamepedia lacks, such as article comments, but Gamepedia does have some features specific to the site as well. In general, you get a choice:
    1. A higher quality wiki but with more impactful ads to boot. (Wikia)
    2. A slightly lower quality wiki with ads that have far less impact. (Gamepedia)

    Will the new wiki be only for DST or DS?

    • Both. Making separate wikis for DS and DST will be confusing and it is better to just group them under one wiki. Just keep DST changes to entities in a separate section and tag DST Exclusive articles by typing {{DST Exclusive}} at the top.

    I am an old contributor at the Wikia wiki with a great edit count and a lot of badges that I felt proud having. What will happen to them? Will I lose them?

    • Nothing will happen! Gamepedia has an achievement/badge system as well. You can find a link to a form for preserving your contributions at the top of the site. Just state your Wikia account's name and Gamepedia account's name, and the staff will transfer your contributions and badges in the form of Gamepedia's badges along with your edit count and account history. Your Wikia profile will remain unaffected.

    Why does the main page say "We have 21 articles"? Just 21?

    • The move process was mostly automated, and as a side effect (or bug, if I may say so), that template can't see pages that haven't been edited at least once while on Gamepedia. All articles are there and can be found through searching. This has no immediate fix as of now, and can only be resolved over time as pages are edited.

    If any more frequent questions need answering, I will add them here.

    Hope you enjoy the new wiki!

    - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • Please note: The wiki on Gamepedia was automatically copied from here on April 7th, 2017, so it's not entirely up-to-date with the changes that were made here since then. Some great edits and additions have been made in this time, including all the clothes images for the Shipwrecked characters and A New Reign coming out of beta.

      So don't worry, if something seems missing: I'm sure, by working together we can bring the new wiki up-to-date and to its best form in no time! ;)

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    • Will this... replace the wiki?

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    • Master Jand wrote:
      Will this... replace the wiki?

      Maybe not. Deiaa said that two wiki both will be active.

      Edit: I just find that Deiaa write same FAQ here...

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    • 程子 wrote: I just find that Deiaa write same FAQ here...

      That is right. I will update both with questions from all platforms.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • Thanks for the work guys (Deiaa!!!) :D Btw I just read some comments in Klei forum, I think we should reform the guide section, here are some questions in my mind:

      1. Should we cooperate with Don't Starve community in Steam?

      2. How do we cooperate? We copy their guides in our page and credit them? We set up pages which redirect to their guides?

      3. How can we make the current guide section more friendly to users and editors?

      - ♞ Mentalis†PRO (Glommer.pngwall)

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    • I suppose I will keep using this one, as comments and higher quality is what i prefer. And people who can't stand ads probably use adblock anyways, not that its such a great thing to have, but its not illegal.

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    • Mentalistpro wrote: Thanks for the work guys (Deiaa!!!) :D Btw I just read some comments in Klei forum, I think we should reform the guide section, here are some questions in my mind:

      1. Should we cooperate with Don't Starve community in Steam?

      2. How do we cooperate? We copy their guides in our page and credit them? We set up pages which redirect to their guides?

      3. How can we make the current guide section more friendly to users and editors?

      - <span style=" (http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dont-starve-game/images/c/cb/Glommer.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/15?cb=20160518200055wall)

      Hi Mentalist!

      1. Sounds like a pretty good idea. Many guides need updating anyway. Maybe even set up a Steam Group for the wiki.
      2. If we are going to take guides on Steam, their creators must be credited. They should also get that choice, whether the page redirects to their guide or their guide gets copied with them credited, and if they aren't fine with having it on the wiki in the first place, then we can't take them.
      3. Not sure, but I think it can be taken care of on a case by case basis. There is no direct rule to apply to all guides that makes them all more friendly. And many of them need updates anyway.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • uhh no offense but i think this is a very bad idea

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    • ARM123 wrote:
      uhh no offense but i think this is a very bad idea

      Could you explain why you think so?

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • I don't think "ads" is a serious problem, but, for example, comments are a very important part of the wiki. 

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    • Alarsin wrote: I don't think "ads" is a serious problem

      Sign out and return to the main Don't Starve Wiki page.

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    • Alarsin wrote: I don't think "ads" is a serious problem, but, for example, comments are a very important part of the wiki. 

      Log out as Master Jand explained and you'll see what everyone means. While logged in you get to see no third-party ads.

      Standardly, MediaWiki sites, including Wikipedia, use 'talk' pages. Even Wikia has them, but since the introduction of comments, nobody has been using talk pages on Wikia as comments were more straightforward and much easier to use.

      You can still find some like Talk:Don't Starve Wiki.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • Hello from Fandom. On the subject of ads, I do want to point out that we're focusing on improving the ad experience right now. A number of blog posts on Community Central have gone into detail about this, with this one being the most recent.

      Additionally, for several months we have been testing a different "ad mix" on a few communities, including Don't Starve Wiki. This is separate from the broader testing described in the Community Central blog and it's ongoing. I discussed that test in detail on this thread and asked for feedback.

      It's unfortunate that some felt the situation was bad enough to warrant setting up a new wiki, but I hope it's clear that we're working to improve things. In any case, it's great to see the plan is to have the two wikis coexist, and the commitment to keeping up content in both places. Please reach out if anyone has questions!

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    • BertH that sounds great. that you're working on the ad problem. As I myself prefer fandom because of the comment section (which is crucial for a wikipedia about a SURVIVAL GAME) and the other qualitys that fandom has are just worth the ongoing ad problem, but if thats about to get fixed then I am even happier to stay here! 

      As Deiaa said: ↓

      1. A higher quality wiki but with more ads to boot. (Wikia)
      2. A slightly lower quality wiki with ads that have far less impact. (Gamepedia)

      I do believe number 1 is the best choice, especially if the ads are getting fixed.

      Thats my opinion on the whole thing!

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    • BertH wrote:
      Hello from Fandom. On the subject of ads, I do want to point out that we're focusing on improving the ad experience right now. A number of blog posts on Community Central have gone into detail about this, with this one being the most recent.

      Additionally, for several months we have been testing a different "ad mix" on a few communities, including Don't Starve Wiki. This is separate from the broader testing described in the Community Central blog and it's ongoing. I discussed that test in detail on this thread and asked for feedback.

      It's unfortunate that some felt the situation was bad enough to warrant setting up a new wiki, but I hope it's clear that we're working to improve things. In any case, it's great to see the plan is to have the two wikis coexist, and the commitment to keeping up content in both places. Please reach out if anyone has questions!

      It's good to know the staff are trying to improve the ads on Fandom. The Gamepedia wiki was created mostly due to the sheer amount of complaints about the ads on Fandom, and so the Gamepedia wiki was made to help please the community if that's what they see (not saying I'm against it, either). There's a reason both wikis are available.

      Although from what we see, the tests being conducted seem to reduce the amount of ads, but not their load or impact. People (including me) didn't like how the ad banners were as wide as the page and pushed page content downwards, which made misclicking easy. This was the most recent complaint received.

      The problem isn't the number of ads; it's their impact, which is why most people wanted the move to happen as Gamepedia's ads were, as mentioned above, restricted to a space on the right side, and instead of affecting article spaces at all, they simply scrolled along giving the same, if not a better, effect as the goal of the ad location that was used here, but without actually disturbing anyone as long as the ads included no animations. I would definitely recommend using such layout.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • Deiaa2002 wrote:
      Although from what we see, the tests being conducted seem to reduce the amount of ads, but not their load or impact. People (including me) didn't like how the ad banners were as wide as the page and pushed page content downwards, which made misclicking easy. This was the most recent complaint received.

      The problem isn't the number of ads; it's their impact...

      This is absolutely a valid perspective, and indeed we've had to make some choices. It's important to note that the smaller and more numerous ads also have an impact on page loading time and bandwidth usage. Those types of programmatic ads find their way onto the site via complex marketplace systems, and bring with them numerous tracking pixels and server calls for every single ad. Some ad units will even refresh every so often and show an entirely new ad. Unfortunately, Fandom pages have become littered with those kinds of ads. As a result, pages load a lot slower than they need to. That's what Wiki Modernization is fixing.

      The larger types of ads, which are direct ads (meaning we work directly with clients on them), are of higher value than some of the smaller ads that you'll see in the right rail and at the bottom of the page. We're using higher value and higher impact ads to reduce the overall number of ads and improve page performance. They are big, yes, but that's what advertisers are looking for — giving us the value needed to remove low quality ads from the site.

      The difference in quality between the two wikis that you mentioned also applies to the ads. In general the direct ads are higher quality in terms of artwork and content and should be more relevant to the viewer's interests.

      We do agree that the amount of time it takes the ad to load is sometimes slower than the rest of the page, therefore making it a jarring and disruptive experience. So we want to address that in some way and work will continue in that area too.

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    • Should't we be placing this in the working with ads thread, BertH and Deiaa?

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    • Master Jand wrote: Should't we be placing this in the working with ads thread, BertH and Deiaa?

      It has been archived, so nope.

      BertH wrote: This is absolutely a valid perspective, and indeed we've had to make some choices. It's important to note that the smaller and more numerous ads also have an impact on page loading time and bandwidth usage. Those types of programmatic ads find their way onto the site via complex marketplace systems, and bring with them numerous tracking pixels and server calls for every single ad. Some ad units will even refresh every so often and show an entirely new ad. Unfortunately, Fandom pages have become littered with those kinds of ads. As a result, pages load a lot slower than they need to. That's what Wiki Modernization is fixing.

      The larger types of ads, which are direct ads (meaning we work directly with clients on them), are of higher value than some of the smaller ads that you'll see in the right rail and at the bottom of the page. We're using higher value and higher impact ads to reduce the overall number of ads and improve page performance. They are big, yes, but that's what advertisers are looking for — giving us the value needed to remove low quality ads from the site.

      Yeah, I could tell. Some pages load noticeably faster with the direct ads in place, but not all seem very noticeable to me, honestly.

      The difference in quality between the two wikis that you mentioned also applies to the ads. In general the direct ads are higher quality in terms of artwork and content and should be more relevant to the viewer's interests.

      Actually, I mistyped the part about Wikia/Fandom in the comparison - it should have only mentioned the impact like the second point (the one for Gamepedia). I'll fix that up now.

      Though, I wonder if it's possible to keep the direct ads but reduce their size and restrict them to the side; the main complaint we received was how the ads pushing page content downwards made misclicking easy, and if you do manage to find a way to resolve this without sacrificing other benefits, that would be great.

      Also, I don't think placing an ad space between the comment section and the end of a page, especially "those types" of ads, if you get what I mean, is a good idea. While it does make it so everyone passes them and the advertisers are sure their ads are being seen, thus increasing payment and reducing the number of the rest of the ads, we did receive some complaints about these ads, and in some cases those that showed quite gross ones.

      We do agree that the amount of time it takes the ad to load is sometimes slower than the rest of the page, therefore making it a jarring and disruptive experience. So we want to address that in some way and work will continue in that area too.

      Good to know. Hopefully you can manage to resolve that soon. Good luck!

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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    • Deiaa2002 wrote: It has been archived.

      .___. Swiggity Swoodily. No wonder I can't find it anymore.

      Anyways, carry on. I just said that because...
      Screenshot 2017-05-16 at 9.31.29 PM

      uhhhh

      - ♚丁and♛ (4th Wall)

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    • Deiaa2002 wrote:

      Also, I don't think placing an ad space between the comment section and the end of a page, especially "those types" of ads, if you get what I mean, is a good idea. While it does make it so everyone passes them and the advertisers are sure their ads are being seen, thus increasing payment and reducing the number of the rest of the ads, we did receive some complaints about these ads, and in some cases those that showed quite gross ones.

      We're definitely interested to see any reports about bd ad quality and anything that might be offensive or disturbing. If those reports are somewhere that I can read them, can you link me to them?

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    • BertH wrote:
      We're definitely interested to see any reports about bd ad quality and anything that might be offensive or disturbing. If those reports are somewhere that I can read them, can you link me to them?

      Unfortunately, they were all several months ago on several sites and I can't find any of them now. I've advised the people who posted them at the time to report those ads, but I have no idea if they actually filed reports about them.

      If any further complaints appear, I'll be sure to ping you about it.

      - Deiaa (Wall)

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